Thanks!!!!!fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. No matter how you interpret the effects of the Retcon, Beyonder can no longer be stated to be above Authorial fiat. When the Beyonder entered Marvel, reality itself ceased to exist. But Pre-Retcon Beyonder was around during 1985 during secret wars; making this databook not applicable to the Beyonder on the post. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim Shooter, Beyonder and OAA are avatars of these two comic book writers. Doom, when has anything even close to that happened to the Tribunal? My point is Marvel states he is the one thing/person/entity that. He was the single most dangerous threat the Marvel multiverse had ever faced, until he was retconned into a more limited character with varied origins. He has way better feats, unless you can provide me a showing for Reinhard superior to being beyond comprehension of Pre-Retcon MM, as well as being above all of Marvel. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. 14 years ago. Reviews: 0. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. Its not like the writer of marvel has dominon only over character. He would erase him from existence. Does it matter by that logic Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) because he didnt resist doom taking his power thats a contradiction in your opinion about PR Beyonder. He's about cause and effect and. @kingant27: nah, I actually do not think Michael can beat pre retcon beyonder, and Michael is far more powerful than lucifer who is equal to LT and can only win by manipulation. Since the Chaos Gods have no way to kill him, he'll eventually win. who universe. 0. Follow 12318. The only other non-Omnipotent characters in Marvel who might even rival a bloodlusted pre-Retcon Beyonder for one are the Infinite Infinites and Divine Creator VIA narrative wanking. @baron_von_santa: Doubt it, Pre-Retcon beyonder was supposed to be the ToAA of another reality but was later retconned into the "Cosmic Cube" crap. With 1 year of prep Doom could probably bridge the gap. WF Mxy vs Pre Retcon Beyonder is basically picking which company you like more : DC or Marvel. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. Now I made a lengthy blog detailing the powers of the Beyonder, Post-Retcon. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. 3. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. Possibly the most powerful character in creation. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. So there are 2 feats for HoTU that need to get debunked. The original Beyonder was a failed Cosmic Cube, the second one was a failed Cosmic Power, and the third one was a failed Cosmic Force. Originally posted by Endless Mike Not as powerful as Squirrel Girl Isn't SG like tied with TOAA in power or something? She stomps all of fiction at the same time, and does it repeatedly over and over again. He was basically like if God tried to create a champion capable of doing just about everything that. Minor nitpick. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon Feats, Secret Wars and 1984 and pre-1984 Scaling only) Ivory Kings, First Firmament + Ultimate Ultimates. Protege and Pre-Retcon Beyonder 49%. VS. Pre Retcon Beyonder. vs. TOAA wins either way though. Powers are basically the same thing. #1 Nicholas_Jones. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. Maybe I have used faulty logic regarding this. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. Archived post. Battles. loveNwar. (616)Spider-Man with the powers of the beyonder vs these verses. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. LT has no jurisdiction over Phoenix which is why he. Beyonder stomps. His presence alone destroyed infinite universes. Most being have failed, and only two holds the hope of all creation. Forum Posts. Pre-retcon molecule man is the most powerful version of recce. I really can't be asked to go. He is only nigh-omnipotent, nigh-omniescent, and nigh-omnipresent. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. synnar the. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. Pre Retcon Beyonder wins with ease! He is literally beyond everyone and everything (ofc not TOAA) and a multiversal threat. Pre retcon Beyonder. . It's stated so multiple times throughout the comics. He's was designed by Jim Shooter to be a catch-all explanation for the existence of all the other fiction. "Pre retcon beyonder is omnipotent, so can easily take care of the Spectre," omipotent does not make a auto win. While thinking the Beyonder accidentally destroys the Omniverse. Post-Retcon Molecule Man. The closest you get I think is Guenpool and she just has basic fourth wall. Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was. let's wait and see his actual feats. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. @rabumalal: Dream would probably solo LT hes near pre-retcon beyonder level at best read into his feats. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Pre-Retcon Beyonder has more statements of powers than the new ones. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is honestly far less impressive than Molecule man, at least current molecule man. Wiki Points. Originally posted by. 1 year ago. . Scarlet King (SCP) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder and Pre-Retcon Molecule Man (Marvel) R2:The scarlet demon, WOW I am speechless. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). DONATE TO SUPPORT THE CHANNEL! Put a message with your donation so I know your request if your donation is for a request tier. Pre-Retcon Beyonder: Most powerful version of Beyonder, stronger then the Living Tribunal but weaker then T. 8 years ago. In Lucifer DC Multiverse is not just infinite dimensional but also existing in multiple existence as seen in his conversation with Presence. 7. I can only speak of Pre-Retcon Beyonder since that is who I am familiar with, but pre-Retcon Beyonder was explicitly a being outside of the Marvel totality. Thanos wins them all unless its Thanos vs OAA. The Beyonder realm might be a million times bigger than the entire Marvel Multiverse combined but in the end it's still part of the larger multiverse. Specificity of the Beyonder is that everything he thinks is real, and. Imagion all he powers in the Marvel Multiverse (which is infinite), not just the Multiverse but also every being in it, and emptyness (which is also infinite) beyond it (blank pages) Even Stan Lee stated in an interview in the 80s, that Beyonder was supose to represent the power the writers had. #28 ovy7. Yeah. The Beyonders who are attacking the multiverse are beings that live in the beyond, which most likely is either outside the multiverse, or be void between universes. Round 4: All-Mighty vs The three of them. Dreamxd26. Pre-Retcon Beyonder just wishes Spectre to be gone and that's it. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Wiki Points. FollowRound 5: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man vs God Emperor Doom Round 6:Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God Emperor Doom Bonus Round: Protege vs God Emperor Doom This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A GregLeagueGamingAlt •. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created an earthquake throughout the city), Attack Reflection (Deflected Magneto's power beam towards the X-Men), Magnetism Manipulation (Repelled Magneto by duplicating his own magnetic. But technically TR isn't a part of DC comics , the author has made it like DC comics ends at limbo and TR lives in the meta state , everything appearing. The Beyonder asks Molecule Man a question and doesn’t know if he can sacrifice Dave. @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. Who wins this? r/whowouldwin •. Jul 2, 2016. the beyonder is literally the embodiment of a universe which dwarfs the mainstream multiverse, so he can do the same thing for the multiverse, but not all of marvel (since marvel is an omniverse. Neutral. 3. Doomslayer can beat 69420 trillion Master Chiefs and has literally indestructible armor he stomps. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. Because the Living Tribunal was not 1-A back in 1985, and that is the era when the pre-retcon Beyonder existed. panos2000000 • 1 yr. canon) Beyonder, because again: "pre-retcon. Second, Beyonder would stop Mxy from going out of the comic, trapping him in the Beyond-Realm (himself). THe nature and effects of the Retcon are irrelevant. Making a spite. CsmicRanker1314 1. Living tribunal. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used(yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with kamehameha. 0. Kingant27. ago. 5 years ago. Edit: Looking at the respect threads PR Beyonder actually seems a lot more impressive, and it seems my point regarding Lucifer being half the Presence was wrong. Jul 30, 2018. But it turns out. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. Which then would put the DC team a few steps below the over-void - DC's prime meta. Both sides are in character but determined to win. Forum Posts. -5. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. The Beyonder realm might be a million times bigger than the entire Marvel Multiverse combined but in the end it's still part of the larger multiverse. Round 5: All-Mighty vs The entire Marvel verse. We can actually prove that Pre-Retcon Beyonder is fodder to Composite-DC. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. But it wont be easy by no means. Beyonder is canonically a "child unit" of the BeyonderS that were the antagonists of the 2015 series- and those things wiped out the entire marvel abstract tier including LT without breaking a sweat. Beyonder was an alien entity from Marvel comics who was a multiversal threat and a hero. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. A being who is millions of times stronger than the marvel Multiverse vs a being for whom the marvel. The Beyonder at his full power pre-retcon is omnipotent. Learn the difference between the original, toned-down, and evolved versions of the Beyonder, a cosmic entity that can create and. The Beyonder and the Molecule Man, also known as Owen Reece, have a complex and tumultuous relationship. Pre Retcon Beyonder is far far beyond any of his other forms. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. K. But i think they have more "battle feats" (killed LT, killed millions/billions/or much more than that, of celestials (since they killed all of then from all multiverse). The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Doctor strange opens one in front and back. Share Sort by: Best. Ruphas not in baseline L1A, Ruphas can easily defeated Alovenus which is rated L1A character. CCC Gilgamesh vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Honestly assuming it’s pre-retcon Beyonder and MM then they stomp the dc fodder hard. The events of. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Darkest Knight Round 3: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Cosmic Armor Superman Round 4: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Empty Hand Round 5: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs all of them This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted. Poll Eru Iluvatar vs Beyonder ( Pre Retcon ) (41 votes) Eru 61%. From what I know of Sun Wukong, he doesn't even come close to him. First, that was a bad parody of Aquiles. The Tree of Knowledge alone contains infinite multiverses and aleph infinities and The Scarlet King could effortlessly destroy it. Beyonder Pré-Retcon foi uma das Entidades mais poderosas da #Marvel, ficando até mesmo acima do Tribunal Vivo, ele é bem conhecido por ter criado a Saga Guer. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is ery powerful, but not powerful enough to beat the one above all. Word Lords, the Celestis, Faction Paradox, etc. Follow 22700. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. #1 quandaledingle. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful than the Living Tribunal. His accident poked a pinhole into the universe of a child Beyonder, and the energy from that universe empowered him. R4 - Pre Retcon Beyonder takes on the 5 and the Defenders members at the same time. Hence why people differentiate the. Third, Mxy would be erased of existence by. Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. Eternity, Death, Infinity, Oblivion. Lucifer does not stand a chance here. PR-Beyonder was implied to be more powerful than the Living Tribunal, while Mxy was depowered by the Spectre, and Spectre has beaten other 5D imps before. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Eru Iluvatar is more like SCP 3812 but. The pre-retcon beyonder is aware of the writer/publishers and can threatening them so that possibly plot resistance. u/nullfather can attest to that. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Thor Vs Justice League : Vs AVENGERS : 12 Cosmic Beings in Marvel :. Thanks!!!!!In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. The being known as the Beyonder is, in fact, a young member of an. As you can see in the marvel hierarchy the one above all is at the very top. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. At the time this storyline was written Beyonder Spider-Man would stomp. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. This is PRE-Retcon Beyonder, you know, before LT could do shit to him and pulled out that asswipe explanation. 0. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. Now just imagine 10,000 of them vs 10,000 Celestials. #5. They start 20 feet away from each other. Lucifer Morningstar in character could probally beat him. I don't think that Pre-retcon Beyonder in pic but. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. A powerful alien supervillain and master of all reality, Beyonder manipulated Loki Laufeyson (not realizing it was in fact Loki who manipulated him) into telling him of Earth's existence. Pre-Retcon Beyonder/Classic Beyonder-As a result of being the entirety of a dimension of far more scope than our own multiverse, he was more powerful than all of the rest of reality (he was. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. " lord marvel is said to be omnipotent and he can get smacked up. DONATE TO SUPPORT THE CHANNEL! Put a message with your donation so I know your request if your donation is for a request tier. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. O. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. The time lords are at their best. ago. Neutral Omega Beyonder has better feats. New comments cannot be posted. So the information given is contradictory as a Cosmic Cube can't do what the Beyonder did but he canonically does those things. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. 13 years. Thanos wins them all unless its Thanos vs OAA. Adviser (Vs)Pre- Retcon Beyonder would not be that much powerful if he came now. Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. Michael Demiurgos >> Pre-Retcon Beyonder >>>>> Battler. For reference Pre-Retcon Beyonder is stronger than the Infinity Gauntlet by leaps and bounds but a Cosmic Cube is stated and shown to be vastly inferior to the Infinity Gauntlet. Pre Retcon Beyonder VS Azathoth 179 results 1 2 3 4 #1 Edited By deactivated-5fb6c77c8d900 I see alot of extrenely OP character being pitted against. WF Mxy vs Pre Retcon Beyonder is basically picking which company you like more : DC or Marvel. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Regardless. In no way, shape, or form you can scale to the whole thing. " Yep this is a pretty easy win for Frank 14 years ago. #28 ovy7. 2. Learn the difference between the original, toned-down, and evolved versions of the Beyonder, a cosmic entity that can create and destroy reality, in Marvel Comics. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. 5 years ago. Thought Robot without any effort. Rememeber he is a CONCEPT who wields power enough for him to create and destroy 60 billion. Belligerents: Composite Time Lords from Doctor Who and the Pre-retcon Beyonder from Marvel Comics. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. [deleted] • 8 yr. There is literally nothing that OPM could do to even affect him. He toke on beyonder and was stated to be LT's superior MM did say that he had become a component of great power, but not quite up. I will need to have cited evidence for. Phoenix attacks Beyonder with all her power, Beyonder don't even flinch. Nope. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. But it wont be easy by no means. Pre Retcon Beyonder is TOAA of a world much much larger than Marvel Multiverse. Morals are on for Shuma. The Beyonder at his full power pre-retcon is omnipotent. I like to think I'm pretty knowledgeable about SCP though and I agree that from what little I do know I don't think any marvel characters have that level of narrative breaking. As a result, for his experiment, he. People already think Pre-Retcon Beyonder is around the One Above All (directly below, equal, or above), so this new big bad is gonna be busted in a confusing way, since a fraction of his is power. Marvel's Multiverse was not using Type III Multiversal Expansion. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. 5 years ago Galactic_1000Every single universe in the entirety of the Marvel multiverse combined is literally a drop in the ocean to Pre-Retcon Beyonder's power, The minotors exist in a dimension called "The Bleed", which is basically identical to Marvels "The Beyond". Batman gets as much prep time as he wants. Let me remind you that SCP verse is much bigger than both Marvel and DC. The Living Tribunal was able to stop the Infinity Gaunlet from working, while PR Molecule Man stated to be stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts, and the Living Tribunal . Jack Kline can’t do shit. COIE Monitors cited as. Beyonder stomp beyond comprehension. Kuuko273. Beyonder still probably loses to Thought Robot Superman, Final Batsuit Batman, Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman, Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos, Perpetua, the Darkest Knight, true form Darkseid,. 1. The Beyonder was surprised by Mephisto. 0. g. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. Since the Chaos Gods have no way to kill him, he'll eventually win. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is far. #. Beyonder is marvel. Beyonder Wallpapers. Gan & Crimson King VS Pre Retcon Beyonder. Elaine Belloc would win under both scenarios, 2nd would be pointless. Follow 1963. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. Mxy is done. 2. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. Also, I should mention that they are probably re-retconning him to his previous levels soon. Beyonder won't evenn make any difference more than the ant. The people at Marvel Comics figured it was a dumb idea, so they changed (or retconned) it. (Like many of these fights) Universal Steve. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. Team 1 = Two Grain Pre-Retcon Beyonder. This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. Random encounter. Additional comment actions. This pre retcon Beyonder. Beyonder if what I hear of Gan/Crimson King is true (and. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 21 K. Conceptual Warping Tier C vs Particle Manipulating Tier B. About Pre-retcon/Classic Beyonder. Post retcon would be a closer fight. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. He was the single most dangerous threat the Marvel multiverse had ever faced, until he. 9 years ago. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. There is literally nothing that OPM could do to even affect him. He encountered the child Beyonder in the latter's. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. PR Beyonder tanked a blast that would of shattered billions of dimensions and he was bullying PR MM who repaired the multiverse with a gesture. deactivated-5d45fd7ce1a16. Shuma Gorath. Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. If this is pre retcon then beyonder. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Archived post. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but. I don't think that PR Beyonder would actually notice him. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. pre retcon molecule man vs. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Vs. R3 - Inhuman/Mutant Beyonder faces the 5. Interesting. 0. 4 years ago. He represented everything outside the Marvel Universe, while TOAA represents MU. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. This is the biggest mismatch. .